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		<title>By: chae s. sone</title>
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		<description>Korean United Methodist Church and Institute&#039;s not so sacret drama  에생긴교회연극입니다
UMC Korean clergy 중에는 교회규측과 예수님가라츠심을배반하고 가롯유다의복음을예수이름으로전하는거짖증거하는분들이있읍니다 Korean church leaders in New York and New Jersey should cloely examine this story help the church return to our Lord Jesus Christ.

교회규측을지키며교회재정을교회규측과 예수가라치심의따라가야한다고 주장하고
교회를 보호하려든이사장을 살인죄인범으로만들고 이사장이엿든 무죄한 교인을살인범으로만들고 그의아들까지죄인으로몰고 New York State Supreme Court 에서살인미수죄로  재판을하였읍니다 세번소송했는데$8,000,000,00  예수님갑보다훨신맣은 돈을요구한악한 목사와교회지도자들이,이런큰배상을요구한일이있읍니다

According to the trial judge F. Dana Winslow, someone from the Episcopacy deceived the Judge that the mss murder charges were church related. It was false because it was private lawsuit by Steven H. Park under the direction of Rev. Won Tae Cha,  Young So Kim and others Bishop Park should know who deceived the judge.

Bishop Lyght learned about his crookedness and fired Rev. Cha to rescue the church because he was going to destroy the church. One Sunday there were only 24 worshippers during the court battles.

After many changes, Rev. Chul Chang 장철우 appointed to the church. When Rev. Chul Wood Chang 장철우 said on his inauguration day on the pulpit that &quot;Rev. Won Tae Cha is my mentor.&quot;  Rev. Chul Woo Chang is stalling the audit of the church finance that would reveal the abused money by Rev, Won Tae Cha, but he is trying to protect his mentor, Rev. Won Tae Cha. 목사들이횡영한예수님돈을 회복하려는일을반대하는 이는교인의마음이업고 예수님을모욕하느사실입니다 

차원테목사는 허위살인범재판소의 여러교우를응원자로 끄러어왓습니다 그중에는 최근의크게추모예배를드린 양우석장 Yang Woo Suck 노가당당이지팽앵이를 집고왔읍니다 한국기독교인들의더럽고 
악한사실를볼수있는연극무대였읍니다  
양장노는우리가족을모르는 우리교회와는낫서른 거리에서드러온장노인데 어더케 우리가살인범이라고아럿는지 그것은새빨간거짖말입니다 박히재 wife 는놑은신을신고 멋부리면서 남편을 응원하러큰돈을벌 기대로 읃식대고드러왔읍니다 못나니 korean 가롯유다들의악한연극이엿는데 

이연극은 지금은장철우목사가합법적회게를  가로막고있어 아즉도
불법은게 속하고있읍니다 예수님에게낫을들수업이 korean shame 입니다 우리자식들에게무엇을가르킬수있을가요? For the church is like under the capitulation of the dishonestly organized Korean criminals. Remember many young people is dying now in foreign lands to protect our value system.

우리새로운 시대젊은신자들을지도하여이교회가도덕마즌예순님돈을하로속히회복합시다
Rev. Chul Woo Chang, Rev. Won Tae Cha 는예수님을바로따르지안코 바로가르치지도못합니다
결국이실패는Bishop Jeremiah J. Park에게큰책임이있읍니다 Let us pray  God to rescue our church
from the evil and return to our Lord Jesus Christ. We need the consciensious churcch leadership.

REFERENCE IN WEBSITE
1.기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &quot;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는 

2.뉴욕한인교회 88주년 창립 기념 음악회 가져 전문 음악인이 기획한 첫 음악회 [2009-04-05 22:09
3.기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &quot;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는 
4. How to save our church from the money scandals?
5. 기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &quot;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는 
6. Houston Korean church in turmoil
7. Steve H. Park&#039;s false murder charges against me and my son and ...in   order to steal the church money
8. Dear Jesus! I am the Korean Bishop Jeremiah J. Park. What can I do for you in this ... 
9.A petition to Bishop Jeremiah J. Park to recover misused Church money ... Now, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park must  and others. 
10. 예수님 나는 Korean Bishop Jeremiah Park 입니다      나는당신을 위해 이 Christmas 와 새해 에 무엇을 할수 있을까요? 
12. Park profanity Deposition doc 3.6 14 doc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korean United Methodist Church and Institute&#8217;s not so sacret drama  에생긴교회연극입니다<br />
UMC Korean clergy 중에는 교회규측과 예수님가라츠심을배반하고 가롯유다의복음을예수이름으로전하는거짖증거하는분들이있읍니다 Korean church leaders in New York and New Jersey should cloely examine this story help the church return to our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>교회규측을지키며교회재정을교회규측과 예수가라치심의따라가야한다고 주장하고<br />
교회를 보호하려든이사장을 살인죄인범으로만들고 이사장이엿든 무죄한 교인을살인범으로만들고 그의아들까지죄인으로몰고 New York State Supreme Court 에서살인미수죄로  재판을하였읍니다 세번소송했는데$8,000,000,00  예수님갑보다훨신맣은 돈을요구한악한 목사와교회지도자들이,이런큰배상을요구한일이있읍니다</p>
<p>According to the trial judge F. Dana Winslow, someone from the Episcopacy deceived the Judge that the mss murder charges were church related. It was false because it was private lawsuit by Steven H. Park under the direction of Rev. Won Tae Cha,  Young So Kim and others Bishop Park should know who deceived the judge.</p>
<p>Bishop Lyght learned about his crookedness and fired Rev. Cha to rescue the church because he was going to destroy the church. One Sunday there were only 24 worshippers during the court battles.</p>
<p>After many changes, Rev. Chul Chang 장철우 appointed to the church. When Rev. Chul Wood Chang 장철우 said on his inauguration day on the pulpit that &#8220;Rev. Won Tae Cha is my mentor.&#8221;  Rev. Chul Woo Chang is stalling the audit of the church finance that would reveal the abused money by Rev, Won Tae Cha, but he is trying to protect his mentor, Rev. Won Tae Cha. 목사들이횡영한예수님돈을 회복하려는일을반대하는 이는교인의마음이업고 예수님을모욕하느사실입니다 </p>
<p>차원테목사는 허위살인범재판소의 여러교우를응원자로 끄러어왓습니다 그중에는 최근의크게추모예배를드린 양우석장 Yang Woo Suck 노가당당이지팽앵이를 집고왔읍니다 한국기독교인들의더럽고<br />
악한사실를볼수있는연극무대였읍니다<br />
양장노는우리가족을모르는 우리교회와는낫서른 거리에서드러온장노인데 어더케 우리가살인범이라고아럿는지 그것은새빨간거짖말입니다 박히재 wife 는놑은신을신고 멋부리면서 남편을 응원하러큰돈을벌 기대로 읃식대고드러왔읍니다 못나니 korean 가롯유다들의악한연극이엿는데 </p>
<p>이연극은 지금은장철우목사가합법적회게를  가로막고있어 아즉도<br />
불법은게 속하고있읍니다 예수님에게낫을들수업이 korean shame 입니다 우리자식들에게무엇을가르킬수있을가요? For the church is like under the capitulation of the dishonestly organized Korean criminals. Remember many young people is dying now in foreign lands to protect our value system.</p>
<p>우리새로운 시대젊은신자들을지도하여이교회가도덕마즌예순님돈을하로속히회복합시다<br />
Rev. Chul Woo Chang, Rev. Won Tae Cha 는예수님을바로따르지안코 바로가르치지도못합니다<br />
결국이실패는Bishop Jeremiah J. Park에게큰책임이있읍니다 Let us pray  God to rescue our church<br />
from the evil and return to our Lord Jesus Christ. We need the consciensious churcch leadership.</p>
<p>REFERENCE IN WEBSITE<br />
1.기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &#8220;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는 </p>
<p>2.뉴욕한인교회 88주년 창립 기념 음악회 가져 전문 음악인이 기획한 첫 음악회 [2009-04-05 22:09<br />
3.기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &#8220;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는<br />
4. How to save our church from the money scandals?<br />
5. 기독교뉴스 &gt; 교계소식 &gt; &#8220;늦은 비의 부흥을 사모하는<br />
6. Houston Korean church in turmoil<br />
7. Steve H. Park&#8217;s false murder charges against me and my son and &#8230;in   order to steal the church money<br />
8. Dear Jesus! I am the Korean Bishop Jeremiah J. Park. What can I do for you in this &#8230;<br />
9.A petition to Bishop Jeremiah J. Park to recover misused Church money &#8230; Now, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park must  and others.<br />
10. 예수님 나는 Korean Bishop Jeremiah Park 입니다      나는당신을 위해 이 Christmas 와 새해 에 무엇을 할수 있을까요?<br />
12. Park profanity Deposition doc 3.6 14 doc</p>
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		<title>By: chae s. sone</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-39620</link>
		<dc:creator>chae s. sone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 02:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HATE MOGNERRING 
         BROKEN DOWN PSEUDO MINISTRY                 
5/8/2010
According to information, months ago, Mrs. Soh, Shin Ho unexpectedly assaulted at Dr. Ki Ok Cho in the church, shouting, &quot;Why do come to this church and so on....&quot;
The assault was so surprising to her from an unfamiliar member without any provocation. Thus, Dr. Cho was so shocked that shortly thereafter she was hospitalized with a stroke and is now paralyzed, a question lingers on if it was related with the emotional shocks. 

How can any decent church member improperly assault an innocent church member without &quot;any prejudice?&quot; 

Dr. Cho is a long time respected church
 member, contributed so dearly to the church in many faithful ways. Mrs. Soh should find remorseful on her unwarranted, misled insult.

With Dr. Kil Chai Yim, Dr. Cho jointly endowed a scholarship fund for the church.

According to information, not so long ago, Rev. Chul Woo Chang often requested Dr. Cho to allow him to spend the endowment fund to pay for the choir.
 
She could not consent it as it was in violation of the donors&#039; will, the church rules and the State law. The pastor is obliged to protect such endowment accordingly.

But Rev. Chang made a public announcement in the church that he was not allowed to spend the fund to pay for the choir members, as if slandering the donors. Why the church needs to have a paid choir in the expense of an honorable scholarship endowment? Indeed the unnecessary public announcement was out of etiquette.

On Sunday, January 17, 2009, Yoo Dong Suck suddenly verbally assaulted me. Shouting,  &quot;Why do you come to this church? Don&#039;t come to this church.&quot; He was about to bodily attack me at the church entrance.  He almost hit me unless his wife sensibly stopped him, My Natural response to him, &quot;...this is my church...&quot; 

I did not have any social or church relations with him. We do not know each other very well. How he knew me as such. His attack seems to have originated from &quot;a dangerous brain washing.&quot; After it, I wrote him to learn if he was associated with the hate group who falsely charged my son and me as the mass murderers in order o steal church money. But he did not respond to it. His family is known to have a close relation with Rev. Won Tae Cha.

His hateful assault seems to be not isolated case as it was very similar to Mrs. Soh’s to Dr. Cho. He should rethink about his assault mentality. Recently his wife was promoted to a steward of the church.

On or around April 6, 2010, the church secretary called us to learn the address of Dr. Kil Chai Yim. I told her Dr. Yim has no more address as she is in the nursing home. The secretary wanted to have, at least, the phone number for the new address book of the church.  

Dr. Yim is very actively dedicated lifetime member of this church. During her youthful years, she made good contributions to it. She raised funds for the expansion of the existing old building. Now nobody in the church seems to care about her in her old age anymore. Even the salaried pastors or the elders did not follow whereabouts in negligence. Is this a Christian ministry that we have in 89 years old this historic church? Isn&#039;t this sadly dehumanizing ministry today? Is it a church’s way to treat the aged member as if “An old soldier fades away” as a trash. An alien pastoral culture ruined the traditional church life.

On December 16, 2009, at the Charge Conference of the church, there was a heated dispute between Rev. Chang and Mr. Suk Kyun Shin, then the Chairman of the Pastoral Committee, as Rev. Chang omitted the financial reports by the chairman to it in order to cover up the irregularities. 

The issue was on the unauthorized extra payments to Rev. Chang for his Morning Prayer meetings, which was additional to the regular salary. (Other disturbing issue is the pastor&#039;s residence in New Jersey far away from the church, beyond the high cost toll bridge, George Washington, if that is unrealistic). However, according to Ms. Sung Hi Rhim, new chairperson of the Pastoral Committee, the dispute had no basis at all. If that was the case, it is questionable why Mr. Shin had erroneously caused such public nonsense for the financial matters at the sane church conference.  His chairmanship ended without a clarification of the mess. The chairperson should make &quot;the nonsense a Korean sense clearly&quot; to deliver us from the dummy church world.

At the same meeting I complained against the extortion lawsuits and about the pastor&#039;s and the church officers’ blocking the official audit of the irregular finances from 2000 for almost two years. Mr. In-Taeg Rhim, a long time church financial officer, shouted at me that he would call the police in protest against my complaint. I responded to him, &quot;Call the police, if they come here, they would arrest you first.&quot; The audit can make our church Jesus clean.

Following the 89th Anniversary services, Rev. Sung Kook Michael Hahm offered &quot;Red” benediction. He was former chairman of Korean American Coordination Council (KANCC) (Pro-North Korean org.) (See Visit to North Korea, by Suki Kim to learn Korean communists in U. S. A.). 

All the events since the People&#039; Army trained Rev. Cha&#039;s appointment seem to be reflections from the impure elements infiltrated into our congregation that clouded the sense of the human conscience.

Years ago, the former Rev. Sung Soo Hahn demonstrated in the midtown demanding the withdrawal American troops from the South. At the demo Mr. Oh Bo Young was very hostile to me in his opposing party. He was in the North Korea with other communist visitors from America, including the procommunist Rev. Yoo Tai Young who is a brother in law of Yoo Un Bong, who used come to the trial court in support of Rev. Cha, Steven H. Park, Young So Kim and other church members, including Mrs. Hahm - the trial was for the false mass murder charges against me and my son - the church financed extortion lawsuits - smart guys of this 89 year old historic church. It should be noted that Dong Jin Kim was one of the active members who sued us. He used to live with Rev. Cha. He is a related in-law of Rev. Chul Woo Chang. Now there could be more like those new members in the church.

The network of the complex ideological orientation should be looked into the church ills.

The Pastoral Committee is largely responsible for maintaining &quot;this style of ministry with a high costs to date. It is too much hate based ministry to be Christian at all for so long.

Why the church waste resources for the disgraceful, wrongful ministry. The inept faithless leadership ruined our traditional church and destroyed our human relations in the church.

As all the events presented here matters with the personal integrity for the church affairs, the matters should be immediately cleared at an open meeting of the church for the clear understanding of the facts of the bankrupt faith and correct the wrongdoings without selling her history alone deceptively anymore.

By now we must reform the highly hate based ministry that misled the congregation for so long. It is about time the Pastoral Committee should be dismissed unless it actively reforms the pseudo church into the real faith based church. 

Audit the abused finance and restitute the stolen funds, which will further guide how to clean up the mess.

The pastors come and go. But the congregation is the core force of any church, which should be alerted to have a confident pastor in good faith, not to commercialize it any more in any manner apart from the Bible at all. Enough is enough, Korean enough in this shame way. Please tell if this message is untrue.  &quot;When you see something, say something!&quot;

Blessings. Chae S. Sone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HATE MOGNERRING<br />
         BROKEN DOWN PSEUDO MINISTRY<br />
5/8/2010<br />
According to information, months ago, Mrs. Soh, Shin Ho unexpectedly assaulted at Dr. Ki Ok Cho in the church, shouting, &#8220;Why do come to this church and so on&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
The assault was so surprising to her from an unfamiliar member without any provocation. Thus, Dr. Cho was so shocked that shortly thereafter she was hospitalized with a stroke and is now paralyzed, a question lingers on if it was related with the emotional shocks. </p>
<p>How can any decent church member improperly assault an innocent church member without &#8220;any prejudice?&#8221; </p>
<p>Dr. Cho is a long time respected church<br />
 member, contributed so dearly to the church in many faithful ways. Mrs. Soh should find remorseful on her unwarranted, misled insult.</p>
<p>With Dr. Kil Chai Yim, Dr. Cho jointly endowed a scholarship fund for the church.</p>
<p>According to information, not so long ago, Rev. Chul Woo Chang often requested Dr. Cho to allow him to spend the endowment fund to pay for the choir.</p>
<p>She could not consent it as it was in violation of the donors&#8217; will, the church rules and the State law. The pastor is obliged to protect such endowment accordingly.</p>
<p>But Rev. Chang made a public announcement in the church that he was not allowed to spend the fund to pay for the choir members, as if slandering the donors. Why the church needs to have a paid choir in the expense of an honorable scholarship endowment? Indeed the unnecessary public announcement was out of etiquette.</p>
<p>On Sunday, January 17, 2009, Yoo Dong Suck suddenly verbally assaulted me. Shouting,  &#8220;Why do you come to this church? Don&#8217;t come to this church.&#8221; He was about to bodily attack me at the church entrance.  He almost hit me unless his wife sensibly stopped him, My Natural response to him, &#8220;&#8230;this is my church&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I did not have any social or church relations with him. We do not know each other very well. How he knew me as such. His attack seems to have originated from &#8220;a dangerous brain washing.&#8221; After it, I wrote him to learn if he was associated with the hate group who falsely charged my son and me as the mass murderers in order o steal church money. But he did not respond to it. His family is known to have a close relation with Rev. Won Tae Cha.</p>
<p>His hateful assault seems to be not isolated case as it was very similar to Mrs. Soh’s to Dr. Cho. He should rethink about his assault mentality. Recently his wife was promoted to a steward of the church.</p>
<p>On or around April 6, 2010, the church secretary called us to learn the address of Dr. Kil Chai Yim. I told her Dr. Yim has no more address as she is in the nursing home. The secretary wanted to have, at least, the phone number for the new address book of the church.  </p>
<p>Dr. Yim is very actively dedicated lifetime member of this church. During her youthful years, she made good contributions to it. She raised funds for the expansion of the existing old building. Now nobody in the church seems to care about her in her old age anymore. Even the salaried pastors or the elders did not follow whereabouts in negligence. Is this a Christian ministry that we have in 89 years old this historic church? Isn&#8217;t this sadly dehumanizing ministry today? Is it a church’s way to treat the aged member as if “An old soldier fades away” as a trash. An alien pastoral culture ruined the traditional church life.</p>
<p>On December 16, 2009, at the Charge Conference of the church, there was a heated dispute between Rev. Chang and Mr. Suk Kyun Shin, then the Chairman of the Pastoral Committee, as Rev. Chang omitted the financial reports by the chairman to it in order to cover up the irregularities. </p>
<p>The issue was on the unauthorized extra payments to Rev. Chang for his Morning Prayer meetings, which was additional to the regular salary. (Other disturbing issue is the pastor&#8217;s residence in New Jersey far away from the church, beyond the high cost toll bridge, George Washington, if that is unrealistic). However, according to Ms. Sung Hi Rhim, new chairperson of the Pastoral Committee, the dispute had no basis at all. If that was the case, it is questionable why Mr. Shin had erroneously caused such public nonsense for the financial matters at the sane church conference.  His chairmanship ended without a clarification of the mess. The chairperson should make &#8220;the nonsense a Korean sense clearly&#8221; to deliver us from the dummy church world.</p>
<p>At the same meeting I complained against the extortion lawsuits and about the pastor&#8217;s and the church officers’ blocking the official audit of the irregular finances from 2000 for almost two years. Mr. In-Taeg Rhim, a long time church financial officer, shouted at me that he would call the police in protest against my complaint. I responded to him, &#8220;Call the police, if they come here, they would arrest you first.&#8221; The audit can make our church Jesus clean.</p>
<p>Following the 89th Anniversary services, Rev. Sung Kook Michael Hahm offered &#8220;Red” benediction. He was former chairman of Korean American Coordination Council (KANCC) (Pro-North Korean org.) (See Visit to North Korea, by Suki Kim to learn Korean communists in U. S. A.). </p>
<p>All the events since the People&#8217; Army trained Rev. Cha&#8217;s appointment seem to be reflections from the impure elements infiltrated into our congregation that clouded the sense of the human conscience.</p>
<p>Years ago, the former Rev. Sung Soo Hahn demonstrated in the midtown demanding the withdrawal American troops from the South. At the demo Mr. Oh Bo Young was very hostile to me in his opposing party. He was in the North Korea with other communist visitors from America, including the procommunist Rev. Yoo Tai Young who is a brother in law of Yoo Un Bong, who used come to the trial court in support of Rev. Cha, Steven H. Park, Young So Kim and other church members, including Mrs. Hahm &#8211; the trial was for the false mass murder charges against me and my son &#8211; the church financed extortion lawsuits &#8211; smart guys of this 89 year old historic church. It should be noted that Dong Jin Kim was one of the active members who sued us. He used to live with Rev. Cha. He is a related in-law of Rev. Chul Woo Chang. Now there could be more like those new members in the church.</p>
<p>The network of the complex ideological orientation should be looked into the church ills.</p>
<p>The Pastoral Committee is largely responsible for maintaining &#8220;this style of ministry with a high costs to date. It is too much hate based ministry to be Christian at all for so long.</p>
<p>Why the church waste resources for the disgraceful, wrongful ministry. The inept faithless leadership ruined our traditional church and destroyed our human relations in the church.</p>
<p>As all the events presented here matters with the personal integrity for the church affairs, the matters should be immediately cleared at an open meeting of the church for the clear understanding of the facts of the bankrupt faith and correct the wrongdoings without selling her history alone deceptively anymore.</p>
<p>By now we must reform the highly hate based ministry that misled the congregation for so long. It is about time the Pastoral Committee should be dismissed unless it actively reforms the pseudo church into the real faith based church. </p>
<p>Audit the abused finance and restitute the stolen funds, which will further guide how to clean up the mess.</p>
<p>The pastors come and go. But the congregation is the core force of any church, which should be alerted to have a confident pastor in good faith, not to commercialize it any more in any manner apart from the Bible at all. Enough is enough, Korean enough in this shame way. Please tell if this message is untrue.  &#8220;When you see something, say something!&#8221;</p>
<p>Blessings. Chae S. Sone</p>
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		<title>By: curt ensley</title>
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		<dc:creator>curt ensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people who proclaim, GOD led them to a particular church.. that&#039;s great!!! remember it&#039;s all about HIM, it&#039;s not about us... it&#039;s great to have a wonderful relationship w/ your church family &amp; Pastor.. fellowship ref. to scripture... is a necessity, but AGAIN are we bookshelf christians, do we participate in functions/duties as members for recognition... or for the Only Reason... Praise &amp; Worship, Giving Glory to the LORD,YOUR GOD,YOUR FATHER,, the latter is #1 ,all else is important, &amp; follows in suit, IF IT&#039;S NOT ABOUT SELF!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people who proclaim, GOD led them to a particular church.. that&#8217;s great!!! remember it&#8217;s all about HIM, it&#8217;s not about us&#8230; it&#8217;s great to have a wonderful relationship w/ your church family &amp; Pastor.. fellowship ref. to scripture&#8230; is a necessity, but AGAIN are we bookshelf christians, do we participate in functions/duties as members for recognition&#8230; or for the Only Reason&#8230; Praise &amp; Worship, Giving Glory to the LORD,YOUR GOD,YOUR FATHER,, the latter is #1 ,all else is important, &amp; follows in suit, IF IT&#8217;S NOT ABOUT SELF!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Church Lines &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church Lines &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of no partisan lines i have been thinking alot about it in the church. And then Pete Wilson posted here asking &#8220;why do you go to that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of no partisan lines i have been thinking alot about it in the church. And then Pete Wilson posted here asking &#8220;why do you go to that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Feather</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-15210</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Feather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who could leave a church who&#039;s first pastor was Ken Graham?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who could leave a church who&#8217;s first pastor was Ken Graham?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey Smith</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-15209</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete...I would go to our church even if I were not on staff.  You just know when God is doing some amazing things and you want to be a part of it!  It is located in what some people may say is in a very dark place but God is allowing the LIGHT to shine in such a bright way!  We have a saying...it is a church where it is &quot;Okay not to be Okay!&quot;  Our family attends Central in Vegas!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete&#8230;I would go to our church even if I were not on staff.  You just know when God is doing some amazing things and you want to be a part of it!  It is located in what some people may say is in a very dark place but God is allowing the LIGHT to shine in such a bright way!  We have a saying&#8230;it is a church where it is &#8220;Okay not to be Okay!&#8221;  Our family attends Central in Vegas!!</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-15208</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I go to the church I&#039;m at because... well ... I am the Pastor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go to the church I&#8217;m at because&#8230; well &#8230; I am the Pastor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Started because of the location ... closest Baptist church to our home.   Stayeed because of the people ... love the staff, congregation and the community involvement.  It&#039;s a church were the pastor will say if you&#039;re looking for a perfect church you&#039;re at the wrong place .... we&#039;re all sinners.... we will mess up but we are all family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Started because of the location &#8230; closest Baptist church to our home.   Stayeed because of the people &#8230; love the staff, congregation and the community involvement.  It&#8217;s a church were the pastor will say if you&#8217;re looking for a perfect church you&#8217;re at the wrong place &#8230;. we&#8217;re all sinners&#8230;. we will mess up but we are all family.</p>
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		<title>By: davefarris</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-15206</link>
		<dc:creator>davefarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just feel like after leaving the stuffy, judgmental, religious way of doing church as we grew up several of us have experienced a more authentic and real experience with relevant down-to-earth, and yet challenging, messages.  Now that we have been exposed to this new refreshing way of corporately worshipping our God, it is hard to return to the older way.  I do not mean to criticize the effectiveness of our home church, simply put, it just reaches a different tribe of people...which excludes many of the Timothy&#039;s it helped produce.  I will admit is a selfish mentality!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just feel like after leaving the stuffy, judgmental, religious way of doing church as we grew up several of us have experienced a more authentic and real experience with relevant down-to-earth, and yet challenging, messages.  Now that we have been exposed to this new refreshing way of corporately worshipping our God, it is hard to return to the older way.  I do not mean to criticize the effectiveness of our home church, simply put, it just reaches a different tribe of people&#8230;which excludes many of the Timothy&#8217;s it helped produce.  I will admit is a selfish mentality!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil C</title>
		<link>http://withoutwax.tv/2009/01/02/why-do-you-go-to-that-church/comment-page-1/#comment-15205</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member and serve at my church because that is where God The Father wants me to be. He led me there and placed upright people of the flock in my life to mentor and disciple me. The pastor and I are about the same age and we are great spiritual friends.

What God has taught me about worshiping Him in his house is that most of what happens depends upon me. It is up to me to be prepared to do business with Him. Am I prayed up when I walk in the building? Have I prayed throughout the week for my pastor? Have I prayed for those I know who are struggling? Do I make an extra effort to make people feel welcome?
It is not up to me to criticize the preaching, music or programs. If I am truly walking in the Spirit, I get fed and I am able to overlook the shortcoming of others.
Satan loves church grumblers. :)

Cecil C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member and serve at my church because that is where God The Father wants me to be. He led me there and placed upright people of the flock in my life to mentor and disciple me. The pastor and I are about the same age and we are great spiritual friends.</p>
<p>What God has taught me about worshiping Him in his house is that most of what happens depends upon me. It is up to me to be prepared to do business with Him. Am I prayed up when I walk in the building? Have I prayed throughout the week for my pastor? Have I prayed for those I know who are struggling? Do I make an extra effort to make people feel welcome?<br />
It is not up to me to criticize the preaching, music or programs. If I am truly walking in the Spirit, I get fed and I am able to overlook the shortcoming of others.<br />
Satan loves church grumblers. <img src='http://withoutwax.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cecil C</p>
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